WAR is tanking!!
http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64

You seem surprised.

As an aoc players you should be used to this!

Also war has its own forum you know!

Personally, I would prefer to see both games growing and flourishing, taking a decent chunk of the WoW-dominated pie chart. Plus, despite the similarities between AoC and WAR, they're both trying to appeal to a slightly different audience.

Hating on each other will only bring both down, leaving WoW unchallenged.

Internet forums are never a good indicator of the state of any game.

Slycne:
Internet forums are never a good indicator of the state of any game.

Ohh is that so. Remember, I have just been through this process in AoC's forums. Posts used to be very negative just like in WAR. Then Patch 2.0 came along and the AoC forums changed over the night to a very positive place with lots of good words for the devs.

I would dare to say that the forums do reflect to a certain point the state of the game and WAR is now knee deep in the brown stuff. I am sure they will come out of it, but right now they have tonns of issues.

Dirk:

Slycne:
Internet forums are never a good indicator of the state of any game.

Ohh is that so. Remember, I have just been through this process in AoC's forums. Posts used to be very negative just like in WAR. Then Patch 2.0 came along and the AoC forums changed over the night to a very positive place with lots of good words for the devs.

I would dare to say that the forums do reflect to a certain point the state of the game and WAR is now knee deep in the brown stuff. I am sure they will come out of it, but right now they have tonns of issues.

Yes actually. It's the same reasons political polling is not always accurate. You have a much smaller data sample then your total population and in general only the people who want to be polled are answering. See what I am getting at?

I was with AoC from day 1 as well, and I never thought for a second the game was as bad as the forums made it out to be. No, Warhammer Online is not perfect right now, but the truest indicator of how well a game is doing is it's retention rate during the first few months.

Most of the time, only the disaffected post on gaming forums. The happy players are too busy playing to bitch. ;)

Warhammer, like AoC before it, is now claiming 500,000 subscribers. As with Conan, it'll remain to be seen whether or not they can maintain it.

Dirk:

Slycne:
Internet forums are never a good indicator of the state of any game.

Ohh is that so. Remember, I have just been through this process in AoC's forums. Posts used to be very negative just like in WAR. Then Patch 2.0 came along and the AoC forums changed over the night to a very positive place with lots of good words for the devs.

I would dare to say that the forums do reflect to a certain point the state of the game and WAR is now knee deep in the brown stuff. I am sure they will come out of it, but right now they have tonns of issues.

Dude, no one I know even plays that piece of shit anymore. AoC is so dead.

Warhammers problem isn't the same as AoC's. Its just that the game is so much like what has been done, there is no reason to play it. It seems so much like WoW(which I hate)it gives me nothing new to get interested. AoC on the other hand was a fraud, content advertised nonexistant, severe balance issues, technical problems galore, etc, etc. Is that thing even dx10 YET?

I wonder if it will even get ported to the 360 like they planned. Which I believe was the problem to begin with. It felt and looked like a console game.

-Hemi-:

Dirk:

Slycne:
Internet forums are never a good indicator of the state of any game.

Ohh is that so. Remember, I have just been through this process in AoC's forums. Posts used to be very negative just like in WAR. Then Patch 2.0 came along and the AoC forums changed over the night to a very positive place with lots of good words for the devs.

I would dare to say that the forums do reflect to a certain point the state of the game and WAR is now knee deep in the brown stuff. I am sure they will come out of it, but right now they have tonns of issues.

Dude, no one I know even plays that piece of shit anymore. AoC is so dead.

Warhammers problem isn't the same as AoC's. Its just that the game is so much like what has been done, there is no reason to play it. It seems so much like WoW(which I hate)it gives me nothing new to get interested. AoC on the other hand was a fraud, content advertised nonexistant, severe balance issues, technical problems galore, etc, etc. Is that thing even dx10 YET?

I wonder if it will even get ported to the 360 like they planned. Which I believe was the problem to begin with. It felt and looked like a console game.

WARhammers problem is not the same as AoC's problems thank god for that. WARhammers problems are not just tons of technical problems (Did you for example know that you can run AoC now on higher FPS than WAR with same hardware). WAR's problem is that it is trying to take a chunk of WOW's customers with the same technology WOW was based on. I do not think WAR will outcompete WOW over time as WOW has a gazillion time more content than the mingame WAR that actually have lot less content than AoC. Anyway, when the whole gameengine (graphics, animation..the whole lot) looks like something from last decade there is only one way left for this game to go and thats into the can. WAR is just not a good game, and the only new thing it introduce is RvR istead of PvP.. So a bigger WOW Alterac Valley.. I don't think that will be enough.

Its better to have a good clone than just a plain and simple bad lineair boring game like AOC. And look what silly arguments you a bringing to the table

- tons of technical problems, Yet WAR crashes are very low, much lowe than Age of Crap
- Less content than wow. No shit, its been up for years. and any mmo is always adding new content, so that nothing to judge them on. Look at AOC they still have like 4? quests from level 50 to 80?
- Run AOC on higher fps, yeh i've seen that test, if you set EVERY POSSIBLE DETAIL OPTION to absolute minimum they reached a higher fps.... well thats amazing!!

Fanboys? In my game forums?

Nightfreak:
Its better to have a good clone than just a plain and simple bad lineair boring game like AOC. And look what silly arguments you a bringing to the table

- tons of technical problems, Yet WAR crashes are very low, much lowe than Age of Crap
- Less content than wow. No shit, its been up for years. and any mmo is always adding new content, so that nothing to judge them on. Look at AOC they still have like 4? quests from level 50 to 80?
- Run AOC on higher fps, yeh i've seen that test, if you set EVERY POSSIBLE DETAIL OPTION to absolute minimum they reached a higher fps.... well thats amazing!!

Look NightFreak you are so biased in your statements that you totally undermine your own integrity. All I am saying is that WAR certainly has it's share of issues as well as any other launched MMO. You are better off just to admit that. Anyone can head over in the Waralliancesforums to read up. Of course many players are just leaving cause they do not like the game and have problems with those balancing issues (nobody want to play order basically and RvR is like 50 Order vs 200 Destruction), but the killer are those rubberband lagg issues. AoC forums are full of posts on people coming back to complain about how they tried to hit a guy running up to them, and then he would just disappead and reappear like 50 m away. Look, it's not fun to play like this, and WAR already having an outdated gameengine need to resolve this ASAP or it will tank like titanic.

This is why you don't trust the ravings of a minuscule data sample, http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=500.

We either wait and see or try it for ourselves. I personally got to level 78 in AoC and was greatly enjoying the game. I ran into a few problems and design decisions that I thought we not well done. I ended up growing bored of the game as I was only logging into to farm the daily missions in the Noble District. It sounds from Dirk that the game is doing well so maybe I should pick it up again soon.

I am currently enjoying Warhammer as well though. It does have it's fair share of problems, but they haven't piled up to the point to ruin my enjoyment yet.

In the end, who cares. You are not going to convince someone your game is better or theirs sucks so just enjoy your own. Whatever floats your boat is my motto.

Agree.. Whatever floats your boat...

Titanic.

Dirk:

Look NightFreak you are so biased in your statements that you totally undermine your own integrity.

An AOC fanboy calling me biased? That made me laugh
Isnt that something the pot calling the kettle black and all that?

All I am saying is that WAR certainly has it's share of issues as well as any other launched MMO. You are better off just to admit that. Anyone can head over in the Waralliancesforums to read up.

No you are saying that Warhammer is a bad game with an old and outdated engine which will fail soon. Dont try and make it sound that you're interested in an unbiased discussion else you would not have posted this link in an AOC forum in the first place.

Of course many players are just leaving cause they do not like the game and have problems with those balancing issues (nobody want to play order basically and RvR is like 50 Order vs 200 Destruction), but the killer are those rubberband lagg issues. AoC forums are full of posts on people coming back to complain about how they tried to hit a guy running up to them, and then he would just disappead and reappear like 50 m away. Look, it's not fun to play like this, and WAR already having an outdated gameengine need to resolve this ASAP or it will tank like titanic.

Of course there is also a lot of frustrated ex AOC players who are now having a lot of fun playing WAR, as there is vice versa, as there are also ex wow players everywhere. Thats just normal business.

What you need to face is that theres simply just another contender in the MMO market with its own strong and weak points and that only time will tell which one will survive on the long run.

I hope WAR isn't like AoC. I even made an analogy that has absolutely nothing to do with cupcakes to explain it.

AoC was like soda. You pour it into your glass, and it fizzles to the point of overflow. But as time goes on and it sits their, the bubbles begin to recede and it eventually just fizzles out and goes flat. Sooner or later, you can only find a couple solitary bubbles floating around in their, and even they are on their way to the surface to pop.

EDIT: Not even cupcakes can help AoC now.

PerfectInsanity:
I hope WAR isn't like AoC. I even made an analogy that has absolutely nothing to do with cupcakes to explain it.

AoC was like soda. You pour it into your glass, and it fizzles to the point of overflow. But as time goes on and it sits their, the bubbles begin to recede and it eventually just fizzles out and goes flat. Sooner or later, you can only find a couple solitary bubbles floating around in their, and even they are on their way to the surface to pop.

EDIT: Not even cupcakes can help AoC now.

These commets are out on date. AoC is doing perfectly well after patch 2.0.

Now back to topic. WAR is tanking. Servermerges is already needed on many of the servers and technical issues haunt the game. Have a look on their forums. It's just horrible how much people thrash this game.http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64

Bravo a link to a combat discussion page which is suprisingly filled with topics on combat discussion.
Every mmo out there has pages full with this. Players all want their favorite chars to be buffed, not really unique to warhammer

and absolutly no talk of any server merger in warhammer. Using the tool you brought to the table yourself : Xfire. Warhammer is on place 6, AOC 41...

Owned.

Nightfreak:
Bravo a link to a combat discussion page which is suprisingly filled with topics on combat discussion.
Every mmo out there has pages full with this. Players all want their favorite chars to be buffed, not really unique to warhammer

and absolutly no talk of any server merger in warhammer. Using the tool you brought to the table yourself : Xfire. Warhammer is on place 6, AOC 41...

Are you insane.. Are you trying to rub Xfirenumbers for WARhammer in my face...LOL... The game is in free fall for FCK sake. -26% from last week. Here is the link folks http://www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/.. Yes this is certainly how numbers look when a game is a success.... NOT...

Was tryng to look through Xfire to see if any MMO ever had such a violent drop and nope. Never, I think that have to mean something. Lets hear your comment on that WARboi. By the way how are those last decades slideshows coming along.

Finally, let me show you an example of a typical daily AoC post in the AoC forums http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=169981. Do you have any of those over in the Wahammeralliance forum... ohh thats right that place was only full of doooo dooo http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64 (pay special attention to the fact that nobody want to play Order... You might wonder how you can do RvR when there is noone to fight)
Have fun

Dirk:

Are you insane.. Are you trying to rub Xfirenumbers for WARhammer in my face...LOL... The game is in free fall for FCK sake. -26% from last week. Here is the link folks http://www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/.. Yes this is certainly how numbers look when a game is a success.... NOT...

Was tryng to look through Xfire to see if any MMO ever had such a violent drop and nope. Never, I think that have to mean something. Lets hear your comment on that WARboi. By the way how are those last decades slideshows coming along.

Finally, let me show you an example of a typical daily AoC post in the AoC forums http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=169981. Do you have any of those over in the Wahammeralliance forum... ohh thats right that place was only full of doooo dooo http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64 (pay special attention to the fact that nobody want to play Order... You might wonder how you can do RvR when there is noone to fight)
Have fun

Lol first off, and you'll like this one. I never played WAR!
But on topic: you are not seriously whining more over xfire while WAR is still being played 8 times as much by their view as AOC. Even if WAR numbers dropped 80 %, people would still play it more than AOC . And thats what really counts, the number of people that play, because if they still play it, then they have fun with it.

In regards to the link that you posted in 3 topics (Bravo rly...)
Here's some quotes from that topic:

Vepgenus: "PVPers: OMG fix it NOW!! I guna quit and tell all 2 quit u suck gfdgjsklghssaghhjlkd ***** gdhsjklhgs ***** failcom gehjskgdjskhg sukit!!! "
Yuanjia: "The necro fatality is just weird... chains wrapping about the dead guys arms?? wtf....? I just don't get it"
Jared1333: "agreed. Necro fatal is not very exciting. wish it was better"
Teslyn: "I haven't seen any good bow fatalities"

So yeh not all happiness there, and does WAR have happy people? Hell yeh, thats why they are playing the game punk!
Goodluck with AOC which numbers apperantly have dropped another 33% in the last few weeks according to your beloved xfire!

Nightfreak:

Dirk:

Are you insane.. Are you trying to rub Xfirenumbers for WARhammer in my face...LOL... The game is in free fall for FCK sake. -26% from last week. Here is the link folks http://www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/.. Yes this is certainly how numbers look when a game is a success.... NOT...

Was tryng to look through Xfire to see if any MMO ever had such a violent drop and nope. Never, I think that have to mean something. Lets hear your comment on that WARboi. By the way how are those last decades slideshows coming along.

Finally, let me show you an example of a typical daily AoC post in the AoC forums http://forums.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=169981. Do you have any of those over in the Wahammeralliance forum... ohh thats right that place was only full of doooo dooo http://www.warhammeralliance.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=64 (pay special attention to the fact that nobody want to play Order... You might wonder how you can do RvR when there is noone to fight)
Have fun

Lol first off, and you'll like this one. I never played WAR!
But on topic: you are not seriously whining more over xfire while WAR is still being played 8 times as much by their view as AOC. Even if WAR numbers dropped 80 %, people would still play it more than AOC . And thats what really counts, the number of people that play, because if they still play it, then they have fun with it.

In regards to the link that you posted in 3 topics (Bravo rly...)
Here's some quotes from that topic:

Vepgenus: "PVPers: OMG fix it NOW!! I guna quit and tell all 2 quit u suck gfdgjsklghssaghhjlkd ***** gdhsjklhgs ***** failcom gehjskgdjskhg sukit!!! "
Yuanjia: "The necro fatality is just weird... chains wrapping about the dead guys arms?? wtf....? I just don't get it"
Jared1333: "agreed. Necro fatal is not very exciting. wish it was better"
Teslyn: "I haven't seen any good bow fatalities"

So yeh not all happiness there, and does WAR have happy people? Hell yeh, thats why they are playing the game punk!
Goodluck with AOC which numbers apperantly have dropped another 33% in the last few weeks according to your beloved xfire!

My god... did you just say what I though you said...? Did you say we should compare absolute value of Xfirenumbers between AoC and WAR. Are you insane. Xfire is used in PvP while very very rarely in PvE. In case you are not aware of it WAR is entirely build on PvP while having no PvE content (come on Mark Jacobs be honest here you lieing prick, people are FCKing pissed off for you tricking them into this PvE shit, which is a collection of idiotic "run and find the dead body of XYZ" quests. Moreover people must indeed grind from lvl 22 to 40. There is absolutely no PvE content). So where does that leave us in terms of Xfirenumbers when AoC has been applauded for it's PvE content? Well, you can't compare the numbers unless you are willing to multiple AoC numbers with a certain factor. With the rate WAR drops like now I would not be too sure that the game is on abysmal levels in 2-3 weeks. Be sure that we will see WAR dropping even steeper in this week when the 1 month subs start to run out. Also be sure Lich king will demolish this crap called WAR. Thats what they get for making their game the same as WOW.Let's see on this a week from now. Here is the WAR Xfire numbers again. down another 15% today.http://www.xfire.com/games/who/Warhammer_Online_Age_of_Reckoning/

This entire comparison between WAR and AoC is an exercise in futility. I'd prefer to see you guys focus on the positive aspects of both games rather than duke them out. Both games serve different demographics and niches, and we wish the best for them.